Large auto manufacturers like Toyota and Honda are expanding outside garden variety hybrids and battery electric vehicles and selling hydrogen fuel cells cars in California. Trouble is there’s only about 45 stations in the entire state. Read more: https://wapo.st/384uKXE. Subscribe to The Washington Post on YouTube: https://wapo.st/2QOdcqK
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You all realize hydrogen fueling stations cost millions to build? Hydrogen is not the future of cars, maybe in industrial settings or even aircraft, but not in cars. Electric plugins are the future on that end.
That video is actually not that helpful.
CA spent 120 million to make 64 filling stations, sounds about right.
Hydrogen fueled vehicles present the best current technology. Straight electric-charged batteries will be the next beta video recorder! Individual car owners do not want the inconvenience or additional infrastructure costs associated with electrial charging. Many- many vehicle owners can neither physically install or pay for expensive home charging infrastructure costs. And NO ONE wants to wait for a car to charge!
The existing car manufacture's and fueling industries need to band together to transform gasoline stations to combination gas and hydrogen. This will eliminate most customer issues and concerns. As well provides an opportunity to manage the sensitivity around electrical use and cost.
Hydrogen is a greenwashing scam from the get go. They still claim that it is lack of infrastructure but that is BS. California has enough stations for 23,000 FCEVs but there are still only 10,000 sold. Here is the information that the hydrogen hypers withhold from you:
1) A $3 million hydrogen dispenser station of 150 kg can fill only 27 vehicles PER DAY!
2) 98% of hydrogen comes from methane that produces CO2 emissions and worse are the fugitive methane emissions (10X worse than CO2)
3) Green hydrogen costs 2 or three times as much as hydrogen and they have to give it away to dupe buyers into getting an FCEV
4) A Battery electric car can travel three times further on just the electricity used to make hydrogen via electrolysis
5) It takes 40 times as many hydrogen delivery trucks to deliver the same energy as one gasoline tanker.
6) All OEMs have pulled out except Hyundai and Toyota that do not know any better
#2 above is the absolute worst for the planet.
I miss my sister , this is her car
Lack of political will to do anything about reducing America's carbon footprint. That is what I see. Big lobbies, the tail wags the Dog.
Interesting piece. I’m wondering how much hydrogen the US could produce domestically ? Could it meet moderate demand?
the real way too go. so much better then a batt car
I just can't wait for below freezing winter driving, as often found World wide, when countless hydrogen vehicles have driven before us spewing cool liquid state water exhaust droplets coating the roads with black ice for us to drive over and wreck our vehicles on ! How about slips and falls in parking lots from countless winter temperature water waste dumps. Now that is safe ! This concept is just another, not so well thought out,"GREEN", idea that when applied into the real world, with millions of passenger and commercial trucks produced by so many manufacturers needed to fuel a society with hydrogen to keep us safe from climate change does not keep us safe from injury or death when in vehicular accidents or falling down when encountering ice. A future Hydrogen Economy when built out, operating so many Hydrogen Vehicles that are spitting water on below freezing road or parking lot surfaces day after day in continual below freezing temperatures is not the answer ! It only takes a small patch of ice for a person walking to slip and fall. The key point is the state of the vehicle water emitted. ICE have high thermal heat and the resulting combusted fuel emissions cocktail comprises much less water as a portion per mile which is exhausted mostly as vapor, which as we know, is emitted as a gas vapor not settling on a road surface, but dissipating up as heat rising into the atmosphere. Present fuel cell designs drip much water in the liquid state as the only single resulting byproduct, able to fall in a cool liquid form, ready to freeze on colder road surfaces. That is the difference. If a steam heating unit was added to the fuel cell's liquid water by-product exhaust, this may be an energy intensive solution reducing mileage, and efficiency during winter driving. So, where to put the liquid water. Maybe an onboard tank to freeze solid and burst when parked? At a stop sign or light idling then accelerating adding heavy icing right there to the road surface just where one wants to actually stop? A parking lot to slip and injure another walking by the back of your parked vehicle or after you drove off leaving water to freeze there? A roadside gutter so a pedestrian can slip stepping off a curb, maybe falling down flat in front of stopped traffic and out of view of drivers ? Your driveway so you can fall there ? Your Garage to slide across while holding your infant child then both hitting the hard floor? Maybe, you need more tasks or to be distracted by mopping up the garage floor before the water freezes and your groceries just purchased thaw? Maybe a high speed highway perhaps in a turn? Maybe the unlimited speed limit Autobahn with high water production by those higher electric energy demands moving the hydrogen vehicle through the air while simultaneously dumping large amounts of water mist contrails at high speed onto the road surface? Your Hydrogen Vehicle needs to relieve itself in public, The question is where to do it safely? Now considering these real world usage / interaction scenarios listed, are Hydrogen Vehicles a good idea? As a vehicle operator you can rate the chance of consistent, caring, and professional operator actions observed when you're out exercising your privilege to be with others in the public driving arena. Are you certain that rushed Hydrogen vehicle drivers find and maneuver over a public storm drain water dump station to let their hydrogen vehicle relieve itself in public places when freezing weather is happening? You rate and you decide if we or will not slip into a Hydrogen transportation based society. As for me…you guessed it, I see much more "could care less" vehicle drivers and very few careful vehicle drivers. Hydrogen supporters….should we give these "could care less" about you drivers a water soaker sprayer for society at large to walk or drive over when a dash indicator flashes an alert "water tank full" during your trip?
As a example of related but current human behavior, How many times do you see trash / rubbish go swirling out of a moving pickup truck bed in the States, or dumped out a moving vehicle window instead of being caringly placed in a proper waste receptacle when arriving at one's destination, as an example of drivers' proper public disposal habits?
Maybe add antifreeze to the water dump so it can mist on following vehicles windshields / windscreens then be smeared when wipers on, so the trailing driver has no clear view of the road. Now that is safe ! Then more windshield solvent , with poisonous methanol, is added to the ground by constantly spraying to keep a clear view. Now we're turning wipers on and off, as if that is not distracting to manage while driving in heavy traffic or oncoming bright sunlight in turns. Now that's safe.
Maybe many Hydrogen Fueled Vehicles can dump water, and antifreeze, smearing trailing vehicle's glass view 360 degrees, that is now spread everywhere in the environment. Now that is green, think !
Maybe the Hydrogen Vehicle owner after the cost of a fill up of Hydrogen decides to not pay for the extra cost of perpetually filling an auxiliary antifreeze reservoir that costs more than gas or petrol per gallon. So where is the transportation fuel savings when buying both Hydrogen and Antifreeze for the fuel cell's water as a by product tank?
Maybe granular or liquid salt treatment of ALL the roads ALL the time when temperatures are below freezing, even on sunny winter days ! Now raising the P.H. in streams from water mixed with salted trickling runoff 24/7/ all winter does not sound very Environmentally conscious or Green Think savvy. Get ready for higher taxes to pay the millions of dollars to pay for road treatment. Pay for replacing your scratched up paint. Pay for a broken windshield / windscreen when a chunk of salt is thrown on it during truck/ lorry application. Buying a new Vehicle often because your vehicle rusted prematurely from driving all winter on heavily salted roads.
Maybe add vehicle exterior damaging or ICE engine air filter intake & cabin air filter clogging traction grit like coal furnace electric generation plant cinders or mined beach sand from environmentally sensitive areas to the below freezing road's surfaces 24/7 all winter to combat black ice on road surfaces, filling the streams with sediment to clog fish gills when stirred into the water column later by heavy rains to follow in warm weather. Now one has to think twice about opting for a green and healthy deep breathing bicycle ride or walk on a drier warm early Spring Day to work or for pleasure while breathing the leftover dust from many Winter months of road grit application stirred up by passing vehicles.
Maybe the antifreeze adder system breaks or is disabled. Now the trailing driver is back to sliding on black ice in below freezing cold temperatures when Hydrogen is used in Vehicles as a transportation fuel spewing ONLY clean water onto the roads as the only by-product of its use.
You decide, if adopting Hydrogen Transportation is in our best interest in the "Real World"!
Considering how most hydrogen is produced (grey/brown hydrogen), I don’t know how they could be considered “green” vehicles.
Just plug it up at home OR ANY OF THE MILLIONS OF ELECTRICAL OUTLETS THAT ARE LITERALLY EVERYWHERE…… oh wait. SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT A TESLA. HYDROGEN cars are STUP!D STUP!D STUP!D !!!!!!
Do hydrogen car performance efficiency drop in the cold like EV cars do?
They keep stringing you along… You have to produce your own on board hydrogen, then we can use water for fuel.
That's why hydrogen Electric is the new way the best way to go
First time hydrogen / gas hybrid car is the first step to something today to a transition to a hydrogen electric car hho on demand delivery to a hydrogen electric car
Only way to make this successful is creating a better hydrogen generating kit for home.
Whelp, time to open up a H2 fuel station! Profit…
The elephant in the electric vehicle room is battery disposal. This is, ultimately, why hydrogen powered vehicles will replace electric vehicles.
Because plug in cars are stupid. Your welcome.
Hydrogen is better for longer transport 🙏🏼🙏🏼 ….
Toyota must infuse more money 💰🤑 in India …..
Because Nitin Gadkari loves New technology 😜🤣🥰🥰 ….
Because electric is expensive and it will only get more expensive. Hydrogen is the way. They truly dont care about this green garbage if biden did he would push hydrogen not electric then ban gas. Everything is hauled by boat car plane or train bottom line we need oil.
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So: some European countries have a higher ratio of
hydrogen infrastructure per
H2 user, right?
I'm in southwestern Europe — where there's zero marketing of H2 infrastructure.
I cannot obtain H2 for any purpose. Vehicles?
Only BEVs and Hybrids here.
The American motorists might be better off driving the combustion engine vehicles until these manufacturers of the hydrogen fuel cells; and the electric vehicles have made significant progress to the point where the combustion engine vehicles can be placed in the scrap yards; and forget about them.
The interesting thing is that I am in the residential building industry and there is a push away from Natural Gas and towards a hydrogen-natural gas blended fuel for home heating. This lets company's transition to a hydrogen heavy fuel as time goes on, and keep selling a product to costumers and using the pipe lines they have (and spent billions on). With all of this hydrogen being produced and moved it makes sense to transition a large percentage of people to a electric/hydrogen car. Hell this could be a way to get industrial (farms/etc) to switch as well.
Because EV's are too expensive and I can't drive to vegas on a single charge with almost any EV i'd consider buying even if i had the money.
Either way, regardless of having a Hydrogen powered car or an Electric car, the electricity for both processes is generated primarily using Coal, Natural Gas, and petroleum.