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Week 266 – The End of Market Garden – WW2 – September 30, 1944



This week, Operation Market Garden comes to its unsuccessful conclusion, but there’s a lot more going on- the Soviets launch an offensive in the Estonian Archipelago, the Warsaw Uprising is on the ropes, the Allies advance in Italy, the Americans on Peleliu, and Tito and Stalin make plans to clear Yugoslavia of the enemy.

00:00 INTRO
01:27 Operation Moonsund
03:08 Ana Pauker and Romania
06:25 Warsaw Uprising on the ropes
08:50 Tito meets with Stalin
10:32 Market Garden ends
16:53 Advances in Italy
19:21 Hitler and Canaris
20:53 Chiang Kai-shek and Joe Stilwell
22:12 The Marines fight on Peleliu
23:42 SUMMARY

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26 Comments

  1. You definitely should remember that Finns and Germans start fighting earnest when general Siilasvuo does a landing operation in Röyttä and Battle of Tornio begins. It is small fight in war as big as this, but very important sign of political turn-around.

  2. Is there any good writing on the relative merits of Eisenhower's "push on all fronts" advance into Germany vs concentrating force in a particular area? Was an all-out drive through one sector feasible, or was the risk of getting bogged down by weather or entranced enemies too great when you don't have other options to pursue?

  3. I met Geoff Roberts last week who at 98 years of age was the only Arnhem veteran present last week at the annual commemoration at Arnhem.
    He was only 19 whe he dropped into Arnhem.
    He is a gentleman

  4. Market Garden is just the latest in the spectacular series of Bernard Montgomery being completely incompetent at strategic planning. He was legit HORRIBLE in Africa, mostly terrible in France, and terrible here.

  5. Hungarian 2nd Army at Cluj did very well in the Battle of Torda. This was perhaps the finest hour of the Royal Hungarian Army in WW2, having managed to hold back superior Soviet and Romanian forces for a full month. The area was ideal for defense, 25th Infantry and 2nd Armored Divisions performed well in the battle, although losses could not be replaced, so more assistance was needed by German and Hungarian forces, including an assault gun battalion with the new Zrinyi II assault howitzers.

    3rd Army at Arad was in a worse situation, having mostly field replacement divisions and 1st Armored Division, which was never fully equipped. It did manage to push back inferior Romanian forces and capture the citiy of Arad, but when Soviet units arrived, retreat was the only option. By the end of September, the situation deteriorated and it was obvious that the Red Army would not be stopped on the Great Hungarian Plain.

    The Hungarian government demanded 5 new panzer divisions from OKW, which complied and sent more armored units to the area. Of course, Horthy had be then established contact with the Wester Allies and was now almost ready to negotiate with the Soviets as well. However, chief-of-staff Vörös and prime minister Lakatos were both hesitant, with most members of the government preferring the Western Allies to "Stalin's hordes". Back in July, Vörös had declined the option of armed resistance to the Germans, but now, time was running out and it was clear that the Red Army would reach Budapest first, way before the British or the Americans.

  6. The past is not even passed.

    Slovakia just had an election, and the new Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico just talked about preserving the "legacy of the Slovak National Uprising."

  7. They have started giving it to over 65 year olds again in the UK. I can’t believe these people still want it

  8. Indy, slight mistake in the intro. Market Garden wasn't to 'destroy a bunch of Dutch bridges', it was to capture them intact.

  9. Ardennes 1944,By Antony Beevor,p.14 Sir Bertram Ramsey ,Allied Naval commander-in-chief had told SHAEF and Monty that the Germans could block the Scheldt Estuary with ease. The mistake lay with Monty,who was not interested in the estuary and thought the Canadians could clear it later

    page 19 ,Admiral Ramsey was livid that SHAEF,and especially Monty,had ignored his warnings to secure the Scheldt estuary and the approaches to Antwerp*

    Triumph in the West, by Arthur Bryant, From the diary of Field Marshal Lord Alanbrooke entry for 5 October 1944:p. 219 "…During the whole discussion one fact stood out clearly, that access to Antwerp must be captured with the least possible delay. I feel that Monty's strategy for once is at fault, Instead of carrying out the advance on Arnhem he ought to have made certain of Antwerp in the first place. Ramsay brought this out well in the discussion and criticized Monty freely…"

    The Rommel Papers,by B.H.Liddell Hart,pages 360-61 "Montgomery risked nothing in any way and bold solutions are completely foreign to him.He would never take the risk of following up boldy and over running us.He could have done it with out any danger to himself. Indeed such a course would have cost him fewer losses in the long run than his methodical insistence on overwhelming superiority in each tactical action,which he could only obtain at the cost of speed"

    Eisenhower & Montgomery at the Falaise Gap,by William Weidner,page320 The poor performance of the British 2nd Army in Normandy had tied Monty's hands. He did not expect the Germans to be that good. But when the Americans broke the German lines at St Lo instead of turning the Americans loose on the open German flank, Montgomery stopped the Americans at Argentan and sent them North east to Paris-orleans gap.There were simply too many bitter pills on Montgomery's desk

    Eisenhower & Montgomery at the Falaise Gap,by William Weidner,page 319

    Montgomery's irrational behavior at the Falaise Gap was also influenced by what Canadian General Henry Crerar called "…. the Englishman's traditional belief in the superiority of the Englishman…"

  10. According to TIK and his channel, Commander Gavin (US forces) played a huge role in the desaster of market garden.

  11. I've never understood the love for Montgomery or MacArthur. They both were just awful at creating battle plans. At least Monty never ran away.

  12. If you want to get an idea of how vicious the fighting at Arnhem was, there are several accounts from Ostfront veterans who say it was worse than anything they experienced with the Soviets. This is from an interview with Wilhelm Rohrbach of the 2nd SS Panzer Corps:

    "The five days he spent in Arnhem were the most trying days he experienced during the whole war. He had been on the Russian front before going to Denmark for rest and re-outfitting but he had not experienced anything like this there. It was more bitter fighting than in Russia […] His nerves were shot by the time the fight was over. He had lost so many old friends who in Russia had destroyed 30-40 tanks, and were decorated with the Knight's Cross. He was sure he could never come out of it alive. It was close-range fighting all the time which made it even worse."

  13. lol when did they finally remove the Soviet flag? did those European nazis finally cry loud enough about it? to be expected from corporate media shills

  14. Seeing how much Germany’s occupied territory had been reduced really made it hit home that we are in the endgame.

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