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Greetings Guardians my name is B here since the start of the season this Fusion rifle has been a persistent mystery it’s called scatter signal what makes this weapon mysterious is that its LW tab looks like this now obviously we can’t read numbers from any of this but the more code Mone
Amongst you might be able to see that this Fusion rifles LW tab is made up of code and that that is heximal or hex code to be precise luckily for us we can take this lore tab’s hex code and dump it
Into a hex translator from here the LW is decoded and the real mystery lies before us so what does the law say let’s start there and then I’ll get into the deeper Mysteries and talk about what I
Think is going on here wait this is just a bunch of malware oh I I see what this really is it’s an attempt by the Vex to release their corruptive code into our own networks and computers here this could lead to any number of terrible things from alternate timelines or hundreds of copies
Of us being simulated by the Vex in tandem or some kind of terrible uh uh oh okay it’s I mean that’s bad it’s but it is just a i me it’s a fishing attempt that’s not great yeah sure okay
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Signal nmo monitor Spike 003 tracking tracking nmo monitor Spike 003 signal lead signal lock nmo monitor Spike 003 feed established a churning Singularity of Shadow and mimicry beats again within cultivated chaos Minds orbit its gravity to bridge communion with a voice to move from
Parallel to entanglement they dream of a dark core contained within a Timeless structure a suspended return to the primordial if not for this truth why kneel if not for this truth why does it elude definition though not all agree on all all agree on this Saul is [Music] salvation now on
The face of it all this is a pretty vague message but there are hints at who this might be in that message in particular the mention of Salvation at the end and the mention of minds and truth
It all speaks to the involvement of either the witness or the Vex of the Soul divisive the surface examination of the message would logically allow us to conclude that this is a message concerning either of the two maybe between two of them the soul divisive Vex as a refresher
Are the Vex of the black garden who turned to worshiping the darkness and who created the black Garden’s heart on the orders of the witness they’re different from most other Vex given that most others will actively flee the forces of the witness because it represents a paracausal force
That they cannot hope to succeed against the soul divisive saw the witness on the other hand and calculated that their best option was to bind themselves to this greater force becoming one with it so that they might survive breaking down the message line by line is something that I want
To do in a bit but first I think we need to look at the message in further context after all the LW tab starts with some lines prior to this signal you know the bit where it says nmo monitor Spike
003 a bunch what does all of that mean well let’s start there and then we’ll work out the rest nmo is used in a few different places throughout the lore of this season in particular take a look at
The worm guard armor set here this is a point at which you see someone called nm/ o01 instead of nmo the conversation features Aris mour on the other line but nm01 is actually Osiris in this instance given Osiris’s more recent excursions to the veil and his close involvement on Neptune
With the cloud Striders I think it’s logical to assume that the NM at the start here stands for neomuna that’s actually going to be very important for this next bit of theory that I want to present
To everyone and it’s Theory because yeah from here on out we’re doing a little bit of guesswork compelling as it may be it is still guesswork note how you see monitor spikes being mentioned in those opening lines monitor spikes seem to imply that Osiris is listening for something messages
Perhaps generally but you know maybe it’s just one of those things where he set things up to study the veil and in the process this kind of equipment was used regardless we know this Osiris is the one
Who has intercepted or received this message on one of his monitor spikes so I guess the question is what exactly is he intercepting I mean yes it’s a message but how does the message get
Sent what kind of signal is this and what does it tell us about the way that it’s being sent that’s all actually a very important series of details if this all Rings true and the reason I say I think
It’s important is because cuz I think I might know the answer to what kind of signal this is because it’s in the name of the weapon scatter signal so what is that referring to my speculation starts
Here so take everything from this point out with a pinch of salt I think that the scatter Signal’s name is referring to a means by which one can send a message called scatter propagation so what what the hell is a scatter propagation signal well let’s do a little bit of science my apologies
To anyone who actually understands this in far greater than I do I’m going to try and do my best to explain tropospheric scatter and if I absolutely butcher it I’m so sorry when you’re sending a message nowadays you’re often using a satellite to get the message through but we’ve
Not even been in space for 100 years prior to all of this everything was done via radio back in the day you could use a lowf frequency crystal radio and that would be relatively powerful as a means of long-distance communication but there’s also a means of sending and receiving radio signals
At high frequency over shorter distances that is called tropospheric scatter a scatter signal if you will this kind of communication is made using radio waves in the ultra and super high frequency bands typically tropospheric scatter uses frequencies at roughly 2 GHz but it can operate
Between 1 and 20 GHz that’s a very large band of ranges and it’s all very high but why does any of this matter for this particular signal what’s going on about it the real answer to this is
Because it’s all about range and this is where the scatter part of scatter signal becomes relevant and why I think it matters here so get this right the radio waves that are being received okay they’re on very high radio frequencies between 1 and 20 GHz and the reason why that ends up
Being short range is because of something known as tropospheric scatter basically what you’ll do is you’ll send out your radio waves in the direction of the Horizon and those radio waves will all spill out Wards from that particular point they will then bounce on the uppermost layer of the
Atmosphere being projected back down a little bit like a ball on a bad’s table bouncing off one of the sides this then bounces the signal back down to the planet on the opposite point of the Horizon signal unlike low frequency radios however this means that messages sent by tropospheric scatter
Can only reach Beyond the Horizon on Earth that’s something within 60 km at most compare the to shortwave radio signals which could be carried all the way around the world and suddenly you start to make a connection here this message if it was sent by scatter propagation if this
Scatter signal was picked up it’s got to have come from the local area it won’t have come from space and it won’t have come from the other side of the planet whoever was sending out this message that
Osiris picked up is within two visual Horizons of the monitor Spike 003 and given that all of this is connected connected to Osiris’s NM terminal on neomuna this makes me believe that this signal is being sent and received on Neptune specifically in the area local to neomuna itself so these are the
Base assumptions the signal being sent is being sent by radio waves using scatter propagation if that is the case the sender is within two visual Horizons of the monitor Spike I’m also assuming that the monitor Spike belongs to Osiris is on Nuna and has been set up with a purpose of
Gathering data we do not know a lot about the cender but we do know that they are nearby now that we’ve done this this is the point at which I want to break down the LW tab line by line because
It starts to indicate some very interesting things from the very outset of it all you’ll start to see what I mean in a bit I will say though that as I break all these things down this is just my
Speculation and it’s my ideas of what’s going going on here none of this is set in stone none of it is guaranteed none of it is confirmed so don’t take any of this as gospel this is just
My best guesses at current okay so line by line here’s the first line a churning Singularity of Shadow and mimicry beats again within cultivated chaos the vagueness of this L tab starts right at the beginning but it also starts with some terrifying possibilities that I wanted to talk
About and I kid you not Theory this may be but if it’s correct I think this is entirely the central point of what’s going to happen in final shape a churning Singularity of Shadow and mimicry that
Beats again that’s not distinct until you think about it the first hint is the word beating no this isn’t the beating of a drum at least I don’t think so this is more likely in my mind
To be the beating of a heart and where the Vex and the witness are concerned there is only one heart that ever bound them together and that was the heart of the black garden the black Garden’s heart was always shifting in its spherical form that movement could accurately be described as
Churning and the shape could most definitely be described as a singularity of shadow shadow and mimicry are also important words here too given that we now know that the heart of the black garden was meant to be a failed flawed copy of the veil so this is making reference to the heart
Of the black Garden except I mean 10 years ago we destroyed that thing and we now have this message telling us that this heart beats again which implies that somehow it’s been recreated but we went to the black garden as recently as with the wish keeper missions and we know that the nomuni
Were able to get backdoor access into the black garden via their own means Rohan and Nimbus have both gone there we followed them in the process of the post campaign quests in neomon so we would have noticed if the black Garden’s heart had been returned right we even went and killed the mind
Holding the copy of those designs back in the aftermath of the lightfall campaign where is that second churning Singularity of Shadow and mimicry that’s now beating once more where is this new heart of the black garden unfortunately I think we need to look to the rest of the line
To understand it the first line makes reference to cultivated chaos some of you might be thinking of the black garden when hearing this but hear me out chaos as we learned from the season of The Deep cutscene was kind of the calling card of the light and the traveler it’s also expressed by
The actions of the gardener in the unveiling law book both of these figures if the gardener does exist and is indeed different have expressed a preference for things to be able to freely unfurl as they will regardless of consequences the cultivated part of it at first makes me think
Of the black garden where life blooms ceaselessly and where the Vex are noted as being its gardeners by figures who’ve explored the garden such as pujari but then again the black garden doesn’t have a new heart as we’ve said so where is this cultivated chaos I fear I know the answer I fear
It’s inside the traveler itself deep within the pale heart cultivated chaos might make reference to the garden at the beginning of time from the unveiling law book if this was ever a reference to something akin to the pale heart then we can suddenly start to understand and see the
Witness’s plans laid bare I mean for starters is the inside of the traveler cultivated chaos I mean look at some of the Aesthetics of the local you literally have these giant cubes of terrain that are being filled and created with substance from our own minds that sounds like cultivated chaos
To me and whilst I would remind you all that this is all a point of speculation if it is correct we suddenly understand exactly what the witness is doing thanks to scatter signal I think this might
Be the key to the entirety of the final shape the churning Singularity of Shadow and mimicry beating again within cultivated chaos I think the witness is trying to recreate the heart of the black garden inside the traveler attempting to make a copy of the veil within the pale heart so that
It merge light and dark now why would it do this the answer if you know what the final shape is is relatively simple the witness has tried something similar to this before it has tried to merge The
Traveler and the veil together so that it might be able to gain the powers of both light and dark by doing so this would allow one to reshape the universe to whatever one desired that is the
Truth of the final shape this would allow that to happen however we also know that in previous instances The Traveler and the veil for whatever reason were not able to be combined The Traveler fled so maybe it’s the case that with control over one of these entities with control over this
Singularity of Darkness the witness might finally be able to bring about the final shape on its own terms cleansing the universe of life and creating a new universe of its own design this would be its
Victory and our end that’s a lot of assumption to make from one sentence there is a lot more so mad as the possibilities are let’s keep moving because as this goes on it almost seems to implicate that this isn’t necessarily happening and the reason I say this is because the lines seem to
Make reference to the Vex a whole lot more which leaves me with even further questions are there Vex inside the pale heart at this moment who knows but I do think it’s worth remembering that all of
This is speculative so what does line two read well it says Minds orbit its gravity to bridge communion with a voice to move from parallel to entanglement in this moment we’re getting more context about the churning Singularity mind’s orbit its gravity and the voice they’re bridging
To commune with could make reference to two things in my mind first is the more clear possibility of the Soul divisive Vex trying to commune with the witness secondly there is the possibility that this is the many minds of the witnesses precursor civilization trying to commune with the traveler
The first of these possibilities makes a lot of sense when you consider the wording of the line after this one the line makes references to Minds in a very Vex specific bit of lexicon here as is
The note in the next line of a timeless structure if this line is talking about the soul divisive this is simply them talking about how they’re still trying to bind themselves to the witness hence the line of from parallel to entanglement the second of these possibilities makes a more
Direct commentary on the witness’s existence as an amalgamation of the precursor civilization’s people even with the witness’s scalp seeming to still radiate the faces of people long dead which is likely to be a commentary on this particular part of its nature if they were trying to bridge
Communion to a voice this could be commentary on them trying to communicate with something inside the traveler or maybe with the traveler itself whether this would end up being the gardener or whether it would be someone else that does still exist within the Traveler’s confines isn’t clear
But maybe after a very long time the witness’s many minds are attempting to seek out answers why did The Traveler flee why did it abandon them why lift them up in the first place if it didn’t want to cultivate their greatness all of these questions and yet maybe there are no answers
Yet it would make a degree of sense for them to orbit the gravity of a newly constructed black heart but it would equally make sense for the Vex minds of the Soul divisive to do the same to orbit the black heart literally would imply proximity though meaning that it’s more likely
That this is the many minds of the witnesses precursor civilization but then again all iting something does simply mean that they are influenced by it so a more loosen metaphorical reading of this could simply imply that the Vex minds of the Soul divisive are still intimately
Interested in the second black Garden’s heart moving from parallel to entanglement is important regardless of circumstance for the Vex it it imply binding themselves to the darkness for the many minds of the witness it would imply a combination between the darkness and the cosmic
Powers of the pale heart but with them at the center both possibilities are needless to say disastrous the third line reads they dream of a dark core contained within a Timeless structure a suspended return to the primordial as I said in the previous set of paragraphs Timeless
Structure is a very loaded phrase for the Vex but it is possible that this has other meanings Timeless structure could be a reference to the witness’s desire to see the world un Changed by the Traveler’s chaos or it could simply refer to the pale heart of the traveler itself the
Dark core is a little more nebulous but at least for the Vex perspective it might speak to their desire to see the Vex infused with darkness and capable of finally using paracausal abilities being able to contest their rivals on the stage of survival in the end game of the universe a
Suspended return to the primordial is where all this gets interesting for the vs of the soul divisive this might be indicating their aim of escaping the final shape by becoming a part of it suspending implies that this is them preventing their return to nothingness as the witness would
Desire it I say nothingness but the primordial part of the sentence is there for a reason it’s basically the implication that the Universe would be remade from its base structure primordial goop would be the fate of everything that the witness sees and as a result you would probably see that
Be the case for the vex a suspended return to that means they are no longer going to see their permanent destruction the fourth line reads if not for this truth why kneel if not for this truth why
Does it elude definition to me this all reads yet again strongly as Vex in my mind I see the image of the Vex from Destiny 1’s final mission in the heart of the black garden in the actual Act of
Praying something the Vex normally do not do they they knelt and prayed in a practiced imitation of worship the idea of the thing mentioned before eluding definition is probably then a reference to the heart of the black garden which is paracausal in nature and therefore cannot be easily defined
By the Vex there’s the outward possibility that some of this is in reference to the people who combined to become the witness but I think the Vex symbolism here reads far more strongly the final line reads though not all agree on all all agree on this soul is salvation it’s here
That all this puzzles me a little this sentence seems to be a reference again to the Vex but I’m still not completely comfortable ruling out the witnesses many combined Minds as a possibility on the side to focus on the Vex though I think on a first reading this makes some sense though
Not all agree on all all agree on this that seems like it’s a reference to the many Divergent minds and subtypes all attempting to answer the same question of how they’re supposed to survive to become the final power at the end of the universe the Hazen Vex of Venus tried manipulating time
With the Vault of Glass the Mercurial Vex tried to more accurately predict a Victorious future with the infinite forest and the Vex mind known as poopes and the Soul divisive were intent on binding themselves to the darkness as a higher force that would be victorious thanks to its
Parac caal might this is the Crux of the not all agree on all bit if it is indeed referencing the Vex there are many paths to Victory some Minds have calculated things differently all agree on this soul is salvation though renders a very mysterious note for the end of this particular
Law Tab and potentially tells us a lot about the Vex if sa itself is special this means that there are key features that every Vex subtype would converge on soul to control perhaps it’s a series
Of key access points to the black garden for the soul divisive perhaps it’s the Vault of Glass for the Hazen Lords whatever the case seeing all of X subtypes agree on the importance of our system is curious if that’s what’s actually happening here now I know that all the stuff I’ve just talked
About is stuff I’ve talked about in the context of speculation but I wanted to just ask one more question with this video and that’s simply who is sending this message again let’s remember if my theory that I put forward at the beginning is correct this is a message that was sent by
Tropospheric scatter signal not guaranteed but it feels likely given the name and the conventions and a whole bunch of other things the sender of these messages would therefore be local to Neptune and within the visual Horizons of neomuna so who could be sending this it seems to be a report on
The happenings of the Vex or potentially the interior of the pale heart of the traveler and yet I don’t know if anyone on neomuna that would immediately have access to all of that information that’s from our side more importantly the message seems to speak from a third person perspective
Which seems to imply that it isn’t necessarily the Vex even if there is a distinct possibility of that coming to pass so if the sender is local to Nuna who are they it is possible that this is
Being relayed from somewhere else as part of a string of communication methods and I think this opens up a few Poss possibilities that string of communications principle is one that needs to be examined and if we are going to look at it I think we need to talk about the elephant
In the room you know the one above the formerly opulent cabal Emperor the veil if the messages are local to neomuna is it possible that the veil is involved in the process of sending after all it is technically within the visual Horizon of these monitor spikes if they are local to neomuna
So yeah that in itself opens up a number of huge questions let’s talk about some of them firstly I think it’s worth remembering that the veil and traveler are linked the nature of this link between the veil and the traveler is something that seemingly is very poorly understood but as it
Turns out the former civilization that combined to become the witness was able to understand it they found the veil using the signal of the traveler the two are linked on our plane of existence so
Ultimately it does mean that there is a way that the two of them are connected and it might then be possible for them to send messages across the gap of space if this message was outputed by the
Veil it might have come directly from the traveler or from something inside it and let me be really clear in all of the speculation of this video that is a big if even compared to everything
Else but should it turn out to be the case then maybe it allows for a few different theories to be possible firstly it means that this could be a communication from the Vex of the Soul divisive
To the witness the witness would likely not care whatsoever given that an update or a report from the Vex is I mean at this point it’s about to achieve the final shape it doesn’t care secondly the communication could have come from within the pale heart itself in which case maybe the witness
Was reaching out to command the Vex why it would care to sense such a communication in the first place is unkown known as I stated the witness likely doesn’t care for the Vex thirdly and most intriguingly what if the message came from something else that resides within the pale heart
There has long been speculation of a gardener type figure as portrayed in the unveiling law book but we also know that the traveler has reached out to Guardians before to communicate in dreams and Visions it’s even communicated to normal people during the Golden Age back in the day they were
Known as speakers yet yes like that speaker they would receive Vivid and unpredictable Visions from The Traveler and they would preach its word since the witness entered the pale heart we know that the traveler has been mostly silent allbe it for the reported anguish and Terror that imaru has
Supposedly heard as well as a few other ghosts but what if the link between the veil and the traveler or perhaps the combination of the two has allowed them to send a more informed communication what if this is something that comes from the traveler itself it provides that third person
Perspective and it gives an idea of why the Vex might be acting in the way they are and what the witness is doing within the Traveler’s confines it’s possibly the most compelling Theory I have in my mind but it doesn’t make it true whatsoever if it is though perhaps Osiris didn’t intercept
It at all perhaps This was meant for him perhaps it was sent to him directly by the veil one also needs to consider another possibility this is a far more mundane one but what if this is just
A communication from one Vex subtype to another there is after all a back door to the black garden in the local neomuna space and the Vex on neomuna are of a different subtype to the soul divisive
If that’s the case perhaps the soul divisive are trying to convince other Vex to join their cause believing that they are about to acquire victory at last there are some other even Wilder theories that lie way out in the far scope of possibility but I don’t think they’re worth mentioning without
Further Evidence I could go on about Gia forms and the nine but I don’t think there’s enough proof of either of them being immediately involved if you want a weird video on all that well maybe I
Could look into it but I’m going to need to bust out The Conspiracy Theory Board again and at that point Martin needs to do a bunch more editing no matter what this communication matters I think that if it’s indicative of what’s happening in the pale heart it tells us something vital about the
Witness’s plans and hints as to what is coming in the final shape even if it isn’t telling us about that it’s telling us a lot about the Vex and their obsession with soul and the Darkness however you slice it scatter signal matters even if the weird theory about the veil Communications
And tropospheric Scatter proves to be incorrect I think this coded message holds relevant Secret the best I can do for all of you in this moment is arm you with potential knowledge and let you
Know that there is more that I’ve not talked about that is possible that way we might be prepared for whatever one of these outcomes turns out to be the truth for the time being though that’s all
From me for now and I hope you enjoyed the video if you have your own thoughts on what the scatter signal is trying to tell us let me know Down Below in the comments section and if you haven’t got any
Thoughts on that maybe tell me what you think of my theory do you think the witness is trying to recreate the heart of the black garden inside the pale heart of the traveler who knows it’s something that we will discover in time but as per usual know that your viewership as always is
Quite enough for me and in the meantime my name has been my name is Basia arastra I’ll see you starside [Music]
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I could sense the segway to the ad as soon as it started 😂
ok that sponzor idea was incredicble
The Exo Stranger still hasn’t explained why she didn’t have time to explain what she needed to explain…
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Only challenge to the signal being local is a phenomenon called atmospheric ducting where in certain situations a signal that would, normally, be expected to refract or reflect winds up getting “caught” bouncing between different atmospheric densities resulting in the signal following the curve of the planet for longer than intended and finally reflecting back to the surface well past its intended location.
In the context of lore it could be interesting if Osiris caught a ducted signal, but that’s such a niche thing to know happens I doubt it would be that way.
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18:00 This sounds like the Sol Divisive want to move from following the model of and serving the witness to "Becoming absorbed into the witness's collective community being". They want to move from parallel to entanglement. They worship and model everything from the witness's hive mind that is set on bringing in the final shape. I believe that the individual beings inside the witness are still partially conscious…. an entire community living in relative harmony inside his being. The witness is a "community consciousness" in which its community members may disagree, but there is no murder, starving, suffering, etc… The witness wants all life to be perfect like the many lives inside of him. kinda like "Ego" from the marvel series.
I think the Sol Divisive want to be accepted into the witness's being and its plan for the final shape… I dont think they are 100% slaves to the witness. I think they willingly agree with its plan and want to survive in its perfect "pattern"
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It’s almost 100% the sleeping vex mind in neomuna
vex offensive gameplay is crazy 😂
The connection made to the veil and traveler will probably enable the Vextarian Collective(ishtar vex) to enter the traveler. Once there they wait for the final battle and either weaken the witness for us to win or create a power using the paracausality that occurs within every garden game(the pale heart is affected by those in it from the vidoc). We don't get the third darkness subclass but the Vextarians do or either a combination of powers. It leads into echoes which involve the red vex with their new powers. We finally get the warrior vex and I need a vex centaur in my life. Of course at this point I don't know if bungie will want to or be able to deploy something this big or wild.
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Timeless : meaning the traveler and the guardians, they are timeless. They don’t stay dead
All I’m hearing is that the Garden of Salvation raid weapons are gonna be reissued
Honestly, I believe your theory mostly, however I think you've missed an important possibility. The Speakers received visions from the Traveler, and the Traveler has spoken to us before. The Veil is linked to the Traveler, but is also referred to as its counterpart. What if this message was directed to Osiris, and is a message sent directly from the Veil. Information and knowledge needed to protect its counterpart.
Literally a genius way to start a video. You fully had me.
If the black heart was recreated, I'd argue that it was possible due to the simulation of the veil that Asher Mir created. They must've found the data of its structure and recreated the Black Heart again with that data.
Edit: The idea that there is something special in Sol that made all of Vex agree that "Sol is Salvation" reminds me of the fact that the Traveler also saw something "special" in Sol. It saw something on the sun, and for some unknown reason, despite eons of its escaping the Witness, it decided to stay in Sol and even gifted Humanity the power to directly control the Light. There's also the fact that as Savathun said, only humanity can wield both Light and Darkness simultaneously to the degree we are able to do so. I wish all these hints wouldn't simply be swept under the rug.
Ima be real, I’m not reading lore tabs anymore… I’m tired boss… lol which is crazy because I used to read everything and I felt like a lore master
What if it's some sort of request for alliance? We have the iktar collective (if thats how it's spelled) within the vex. There is this threat of returning to goop. what if the message is sent to or from Osiris and through the iktar collective we could have an alliance with the vex to fight against the witness? We ally with the cabal, we had to work with the witch queen… Good or evil, no one wants the final shape…
I think the lore card talking about us rebuilding the black heart (the synthesised veil) and trying to use it to open a way into the traveller. The logs are most likely the vex detecting the reactivation of the black heart.
This seems kind of obvious to me, but of course it's just theory, so I could be wrong. What about Asher Mir? He merged into the Vex Network. His background as a Gaurdian would explain why this signal was sent to Osiris. It would only be poetic of Bungee to end the Final Shape where we first began this saga. With the Heart from the Black Garden, or rather, something like it. This was, after all, at the center of Asher's research. It's not outside the realm of possibility that Asher, having discovered this via means of the Vex Network, would try to warn us of the incoming doom. It is what the Stranger was most concerned about in D1. It all fits together. I guess we will see in a few months, if not sooner.
Audio leaks suggest the black heart will return in the garden. Nearing the end of the season. Nice video though.
The Guardian has to be The Final Shape right?
Peak Byf. 💯
What is gia forms?!?!
Personally my take away from that all was that: The sol divisive were clearly talking about the witness and their plan is coming together. So they are for lack of a better phrase, preaching the glories of the darkness / witness / sol divisive and using the current scenario as truth.
As for who they were sending this message to? being short range radio it was probably going to other Vex. Being missionaries trying to convert the whole of the Vex to darkness.
Another crazier idea though is actually sending the message through the Veil and it's link to the Witnesses weird portal, and spamming it across all of the parallel timelines/dimensions. The whole in parallel to entangled line. Trying to convince the Vex across all timelines, both inside and outside the universe of the darkness.
Is it asher sending the signal through the network?
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Another theory could be that it was Maya Sundaresh from within the veil. If she someone communed with it and her "soul" lives within the veil then she could posses the knowledge of everything from the beginning. Kind of a stretch. I'm on team traveler, but I feel like if the traveler has sent us a code then it would be a bigger deal like the vision he gave us to warn about the Witness
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did someone say CODED MESSAGE?
INB4 we find out the veil is the Mystic to the Witness' Skeksi xD
this sounds insane, but playing Destiny 1 i was wondering if The Speaker was of The Witness’ original civilisation. he seems like what i’d imagine “the scholars who studied The Veil” to be like … just for The Traveler!
When you were reading this my immediate thoughts went to the Nine actually. Possibly this message was sent by a Nine, or references them. I'll address only the points that support this (there are still holes):
1. If this is a short range message, it would make sense the Nine would be able to send this. From my understanding they are basically representations of old celestial bodies themselves. So the sender could be "Neptune"….or anywhere in space. How would they send this message though?
2. "Minds orbit its gravity"…"to move from parallel to entanglement." The Nine are orbiting minds and their goal seems to be to have a real physical presence in the Sol System. Currently their existence at least to us seems to be on a parallel plane.
3. "Suspended return to primordial"….this could refer to many things but we've seen the Nine referred to as primordial Gods in the lore before.
4. "Though not all agree on all, all agree on this. Sol is Salvation." We know the Nine has differing opinions and may have 2 factions based around their approaches to light. Their existence is literally tied to the the life in the Sol System.
I guess what I don't understand, is if this is from the Nine or referencing them….what exactly is being said? Is one faction on the move?
Actually reading through lore I found this this tidbit regarding the factions:
"The other faction walks a different path. A path of folds and needles slipped through spacetime itself, existential syringes yielding new spaces, to be remade as the Nine desire. They have tried to gather enough dark dust in one place to form a black hole, and found it difficult: when the dark mass collapses in gravity's fist, the dust passes through itself and scatters."
I think your theory regarding the Sol divisive makes more sense…
Is it possible the black garden is inside the viel, and it’s a dark/mirror version of what’s inside the traveler? And that’s why we don’t know anything about the black garden?
If the first line is about the black heart, and the BH was supposed to be a failed veil copy, and the veil is the traveler’s opposite and equal… then maybe the pale heart is the opposite of the BH.
I don’t really know where to keep stringing this thought. Is he making a new black heart in the traveler or is he talking about the veil in place of the BH despite using BH connotations.
I’m willing to bet the signal is from the veil. EM signals are sort of the veil’s thing. It was able to cause a jamming bubble on Neomuna. Maya has done several experiments on it that have involved a lot of EM talk. Even Maya’s diaries and Osiris’s explanation to Nimbus, all involve stuff about electromagnetism. Waves which can be sent on a 1 to 20 GHz frequency.
I’m willing to bet the signal is from the veil. EM signals are sort of the veil’s thing. It was able to cause a jamming bubble on Neomuna. Maya has done several experiments on it that have involved a lot of EM talk. Even Maya’s diaries and Osiris’s explanation to Nimbus, all involve stuff about electromagnetism. Waves which can be sent on a 1 to 20 GHz frequency.
I know I'm late to the party here… But my guess is that it is Maya S.
I think you're spot on with the origin of the signal and it's location, and even it's intended recipient.
The reason I'm calling it for Maya, is because she is in the Vex network. The end of the Insight Terminus has dialog indicating she was messing around in Vex networks, and this lore is from The Red War. More recently she's been featured prominently in Neomuna lore, and conveniently went missing (I know it seems like she uploaded herself or something… but the point is, she disappeared from the city unexpectedly).
More spinfoily stuff now but….
In Starcrossed, the large Vex structure on the horizon is an exact replica of the Citadel on Venus. Down to the crappy low res renders. That could mean nothing on it's own, but it is odd to choose that specific structure. Add to this that at the end of Star Crossed, we have a Dreaming City portal above broken Dreaming City architecture that leads to a room that does not appear to be like the Garden (can't see for sure if it's inside it or not) that has the Ishtar symbol inside (and a cute kitty cat).
The Citadel, for those who don't remember or don't know, is where the "real" Maya sent the copies of her and her research team into the Vex Network to study them.
So the appearance of the Citadel, and of the Ishtar symbol in the Garden tells me something is up with her. That she's either doing something, or trying to tell us something. Or something is trying to tell us about her.
And given all that focus on her and her team lately, and how this lore tab is explicitly "Vexy" in it's style, but doesn't make sense as something Vex would "say"…. I'm betting one of the Maya's in the Vex network sent it, or someone on her team. Or it is in some other way directly related to her or her team.
Could it be Asher Mir? I know he was researching the darkness, but idk if that's a possibility or not
I mean if the traveller truely spoke to Osiris, it'd be pretty cool considering Osiris' Speaker training
It's the veil sending the message.
Perhaps it's a message from Crow updating us on the interior of the Traveler
why do people in destiny call new players blueberry's?
Because all the gear you get 10 mins into the game is purple/legendary.. aren't they just plums?
100% Sure Destiny player base is colour-blind
Was there not a truth or lie saying there is more than 1 traveller?
So, it’s an avatar or the gardener.
Why was it buried on their world in the first place?
Waiting for 1 of the first experiments to lift a civilisation?
Okay so if the Veil isn’t actually evil but just the equal/opposite/inverse of the traveler, then wouldn’t it probably not want the final shape to be enacted as well? Meaning, is it possible the traveler and the veil are actually communicating with each other? The traveler is trying to relay a message to us via the veil since we have no speakers alive and someone like crow who the traveler has spoken with is now inside of the traveler. Could crow have something to do with this? And finally, could the message be coming from Asher Mir? He is local to Neptune via the Vex network and has become sort of omniscient because of it.
26:53 so what you’re saying is that the new Speaker is the Veil 😂😂😂