Late Kick Live Ep. 335 includes Josh Pate taking a look ahead of conference title games across the landscape of College Football with previews and predictions. Clemson vs North Carolina sees a pair of teams out of the CFP conversation but still looking to finish the season strong. Will Dabo and the Tigers reclaim the ACC? What about Kansas State vs TCU? Can Sonny Dykes and the Horned Frogs finish their magical ride undefeated? The College Football Playoff will expand in 2024 and Josh has some thoughts about what this will and won’t mean for the sport. Next, Josh dives into the Late Kick mailbag with several questions about Ohio State’s legitimacy, which teams were one play away from vastly different seasons, and much more. All that plus early best bets on the Ramen Noodle Express. Be sure to let us know what you think, SUBSCRIBE to the channel, and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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12 team playoff is the greatest thing to happen to college football
Josh, we live in an age where "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" regardless if they are the majority or not. Add to that, that the average person loves to complain. But I'll predict the future… after expansion they'll complain that they don't have the depth necessary to be competitive for those (potentially) 17 games.
They'll soon realize that those "usual suspects" will have a permanent spot now (the Alabama's & Ohio States…). And those tier 2 teams below them will inherit those the benefits the usual suspects use to get.
But without a doubt the regular season will be watered down. The entire season was a massive playoff (if you were a Power 5 team).
I still think we should get to see director Colin and producer Jesse in front of the camera.
I don't like dishonesty. People are not opposed to playoff expansion. They are opposed to a playoff. We have a 4 team fully subjective BCS +1, or a 4 team invite. Whatever way you want to describe it. Subjective sucks.
I am for playoff expansion. However, one thing I think NEEDS to come with it is somehow (if possible) reduce the amount of games. Asking them to potentially play that many more games for what they “can” make doesn’t sit well with me. Especially with the “emphasis” on player safety.
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I'd agree with you Josh, but these kids get paid and free education. They can play more games.
This guys a clown. Save yourself some time and watch a different host.
Joel Klatt!!!
As a die hard fan what Josh said on the Playoff Expansion makes total sense. on of my friends is a Quarterback who played for bama, and he hates the idea of twelve teams
Expansion is going to suck. I wonder how many times teams 7-12 have to get demolished in playoff games before these expansionists realize that they were wrong. Michigan and OSU are 2 and 5 right now, and they both beat #8 by double digits. It will be no different in the 12 team format, except that Penn State will go on to another blowout in the first or second round to one of the teams that's actually good enough to win the championship, when we instead could have had Penn State and another team of similar quality playing in a prestigious bowl instead. That bowl would more likely be a good, competitive game than seeing Penn State go up against Georgia or back up against Michigan or OSU. Expansionists don't understand that college football is so great, and is better than the other sports, because it is unique and doesn't dilute the field playing for the championship. There's no draft and no NFL forcing teams to be relatively even talent wise and there shouldn't be, so there should not be a playoff system that allows 12 teams to play for the title when at least 7 or 8 of those teams would have already played themselves out of contention in the current system and the fact that they wouldn't make the current playoff proves that they are not good enough to win the championship. There's no reason to see those teams in a playoff. The SEC and Big Ten already played their conference slates, we don't need to have 3 or 4 teams from each back into the playoff when those teams already decided among each other which teams might actually be able to win the title. I'm not sure how many other ways I can say the same thing for people to get it, but long story short is expansion is going to be bad for the sport.
Really great argument for not expanding the playoff. I'm so in the middle on this think there are really good arguments on this. The college basketball comparison was a great one I love March Madness and don't care about the regular season. Think keeping it at 12 teams will make it less like College Basketball but it does move it in that direction. And yeah I'd love to see a Josh vs. Joel Playoff debate on the playoff expansion!
Joel Klatt would be perfect !
So right. If you have never been an d1 football player you don’t know what the toll on your body is. Big detriment to those guys. They need a cf player association to have a voice in all this
Get ride of a cupcake game to accommodate for the extra playoff game.. the whole point of a national championship is to have the best team in the league win and if that means playing one extra game to keep it from being a guessing game (at times), then let’s try it. Too many assumptions go into it now.
Now that being said, I bet 90% of the time the best team does get into the top 4 currently, but sometimes it is better to be sure than make guesses.
There are glass ceilings that need to be broken for HBCUs to become more relevant. The most important things are funding and coverage. Deion Sanders can only do so much. College Gameday visits an HBCU once a year (or tries to), ESPN has entire segments on HBCUs, the Celebration Bowl needs more coverage. Whatever Prime was responsible for, he did it. Everything else needs to continue to step up to bolster HBCUs if that is the longterm goal.
Can add Oregon to that list of teams that could have had a different result. Oregon absolutely choked against both Washington and Oregon State and we could be going into the Pac 12 championship game with the winner of that game going to the playoff. Really hope Dan Lanning makes some better decisions this upcoming season.
It makes it easier for the sec and Bama to get into the playoffs. Evertime they change it bcs to 4 team playoff, now a 12 team playoff. The sec rules. Roll Tide! SEC!
Clemson and unc put themselves in this so called “irrelevant “ position by losing to inferior teams?? They’re effort for the last two games has been a disgrace to the ACC. Meltdowns like this bring discredit to their power 5 conference
WTF are you wearing, dude?
As a Michigan fan I have been supportive of an expanded playoff because it afforded an opportunity for a team who couldn’t beat their rivalry and therefore couldn’t go to the B1G championships and so on. But after this season and the implication and fallout that followed, I now have a different opinion. This past game in Columbus would’ve meant nothing to these two programs except a win against their rival. And to the rest of the nation, it would have meant nothing.
My argument against the players who don't want to play 17 games like they do in the NFL. You wanted to be paid like they are in the NFL? This is the result. Oh it's not amateur sports anymore? Well now you get to play like the professionals do. I was against expansion because of the fact that the Alabama's of the world will get more opportunities than they should, but I have to say I honestly don't give a crap if the players don't like it. They wanted NIL. They wanted expanded transfer portal power. They wanted to sit out bowl games. Well now they get to play extra postseason games.
Teams can go back to the old days of starting the second and third string for the cupcake games. Or, maybe Alabama and Georgia can stop playing Mercer or Samford to start the season. Want to cut some games? Start with those.
Joel Klatt, you guys are the 2 best voices in CFB
First time I've just completely disagreed with Josh about anything. He asked to explain his line of thinking, and it's hard to explain the non-expansionist line of thinking because they don't have a very good argument. If they did, we would remember it.
So he explains his line of thinking with… He spoke with Tod Gurley and players don't like it… That's a lazy argument. I bet they don't like difficult practice too. Nobody likes to do extra work. That doesn't make it a good argument when juxtaposed to the expansionist argument.
The pros and cons of expansionist vs non are heavily weighted to one side.
Definitely think all of the in conference rivalries just got devalued.
"Ehh game doesn't matter until the playoffs"
"We can lose to X and Y and make it it the playoffs. Let's take out first string to keep them healthy.".
I hate it Josh. Loved the playoff being extremely difficult to get in but hey I guess every game won't be as important starting in 2024.
Josh, I must say. That you have to make the rewind sound on the show more often.😂🤣🐊
PLEASE do a collabo with RJ Young of the Number #1 Ranked Show!!!!!!! Please Lord let this happen!
Don’t understand why everyone is saying Joel Klatt… Josh you need to collab with J.D. PICKELL!
Go Dawgs! Sic Em! Sharpsburg Georgia
Pat Macafee
"Hopefully you'll have some NIL peanuts over there" like we don't know those guys will be making a killing.
SUCK IT JOSH!! 😁 Love the show outside of your terrible playoff takes though, keep up the good work!
Great job Josh!!
Spot on per usual, Josh.
Would love to be a guest on this show discussing CFP…
So giving other teams a chance is bad? Keep gate keeping you blowhard shill. What a joke. Clearly you’re a passive aggressive child who doesn’t want others to play. Grow the fuck up. Never watching anything this idiot is on again.
I want a bigger playoff, but I also want to go back to 11 regular season games to partially make up for it.
I’m seeing Klatt and it’s not even close. See what I did there Josh? 😆